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2.5A output

Revision as of 15:02, 4 April 2023

What to look for:

RF Emissions

  • RF noise emitted by a USB charger can disturb or even knock out for example: your GPS receivers, your VHF radio reception, your NAV/ILS/GS reception, your ADS-B traffic / weather reception, etc
  • Almost all USB chargers will emit some RF noise because internally they need to convert 12V or 24V down to 5V and they do that using a switching power supply (because a conventional power supply would have to burn off the difference as heat (13.2V - 5V = 8.2V; times the current 2.4A = 20W; cooling surface area needed to burn that off is more than 100 square inch, not possible in a small form factor). Good USB chargers will use shielding methods and electronic measures such as spread spectrum technology to avoid emissions or at least lower the emissions in the frequency bands relevant for aviation.
  • The center frequency of the RF noise will depend on the load, which is mostly influenced by the fluctuating charging or operating power of the devices attached. It could also be that you never had a problem for years, then you buy a new iPad or phone which charges at a different rate and only now it creates an issue. It can also be that only a specific VHF frequency is affected which may foil a handoff to the next controller or it may be that only a specific ILS approach is affected. Therefore you cannot deduct that a certain cheap, non-aviation model, which works for someone else, will also work for you. But it may.
  • There is no known remedy for receivers to overcome RF noise. If the RF noise is exactly on the receiver's frequency, and much stronger than the far away signal, you lose reception, even with a $10,000 certified receiver. Unfortunately, aviation still uses amplitude modulation on VHF where RF noise cannot be distinguished from the signal.

Supported Charging Protocols

  • The standards are evolving all the time as devices need more power. When USB started, only 100 mA were provided, then 250, 500, etc and now up to 3A. All this at 5V. At some point, higher voltages were introduced to transfer more power as cables really only care about current, not the voltage. Negotiating higher voltages started as proprietary solutions on USB-A ("Quick Charge" etc), but USB-PD on USB-C ports is now a widely adopted standard to do the same (more here). For example 2 A at 5V gives you 10 Watts but at 9V 18 Watts. Not all USB-C ports support the USB-PD higher voltage modes, rather just 5V.
  • It pays off to buy a USB in-line measurement dongle. With those, you can see the negotiated voltage, the drawn current and therefore the power transferred. There are quite some surprises with the various chargers. Some quick chargers might not be so quick with your actual device.

Temperature Range

  • It can get hot under the panel or in arm-rests. Worth checking the supported operating range and venting requirements.

Vendors Providing USB Charge Ports

Link Picture Price (5/2022) Size USB-PD support

(more here)

Notes Power Measurements Airband Noise
Reference Noise Chart showing some aviation activity as peaks that stick out far above the noise floor.
Aero USB-A single port (no longer available at Spruce) $459 no 28V input

2.5A output

Aithre USB-A dual port $150 no Dual 5V 2.5 Amp (12.5 Watts each)

Uses Automotive TI LM53625 chip

Altronics P0694 $40 Rocker switch style panel cutout 21.5 mm x 36.5 mm no 12/24 V input

5V 4.2A DC max current (shared between ports)

Blue Sea USB ports $27 no 12/24V input

5V output

2.1/2.4A per port

Commit Lift USB-A dual port $70 no 12V input

5V output

2.2A

12W per port (Apple compatible)

Electronics International USB-A 4-port $179 mounts in standard

2 1/4" round hole

no 14V / 28V input

2.1 A (6A total on the 4 charge ports)

Guardian Smartpower series $269 yes (on C port) 5-12V ouput

3.2A

Garmin GSB-15 USB-A dual port $275 no 14V / 28V input

5-12V output

3A or 18W per port

Garmin USB-C USB-A dual port $399 yes (on C port) 14V / 28V input

5-12V output

18W on USB-A port

27W on USB-C port

Garmin USB-C dual port $399 yes 14V / 28V input

5-12V output

27W per port

iFDR USB-A dual port $269 no 5V 2.7A
Lonestar series $250-$350 no 5V 2.4A
Quiet Power 100 series $309 no 5V 2.1A
Powerwerx QC30 $30 mounts in

1 1/8" round hole

yes (on C port) PD 18W:

5V 3.1A

7V 2.4A

9V 2.0A

12V 1.5A

Quickcharge:

Qualcomm QC3.0, Qualcomm QC2.0, BC1.2, Apple, Samsung Adaptive Fast Charging Protocol (AFC), and Huawei Fast Charging Protocol (FCP)

USB-C:

MacBook Pro: 12.1V, 1.74A, 21.2W

iPhone 12: 4.98V, 2A, 10W

iPad mini 4: 5.09V, 2.64A, 12.9W

Galaxy S8: 8.86V, 1.6A, 14.3W

Stratus 3 (not charging)

USB-A:

MacBook Pro: 5.11V, 0.92A, 4.7W

iPad: 5.13V, 2.15A, 11W

iPhone 12: 5.1V, 1.55A, 7.6W

Galaxy S8: 5.15V, 1.52A, 13.9W

Stratus 3 charging / running: 5.11V, 1.17A, 6W (same numbers as with supplied 110V power supply)

Reference with charger off:

Clean, almost no RF noise added in air bands, maybe 2 db.

Qidoe Waterproof Fast Charge $8.50 mounts in 2 cm hole No 12V/24V Input

QC3.0

3.5-6.5V/3A

6.5-9V/2A

9-12V/1.5A

USB-A:

MacBook Pro: 5.05V, 0.92A, 4.6W

iPad mini 4: 5.06V, 1.8A, 9W

iPhone 12: 5,06V, 1.5A, 7.6W

Galaxy S8: 9.12V, 1.5A 13.5W

Stratus 3 charging / running: 5.05V, 1.18A, 6W (same numbers as with supplied 110V power supply)

Reference:

Charging an iPad:

Radiant USB-C USB-A dual port
Molex Mini50 79540-5067 (seems identical to Radiant at 1/2 price)
Molex overview document
$110 Radiant

$45 Molex

rectangular

2.6" x 1.8"

no USB 1.2 charging (5V only)
Apple MFI compliant
10k cycles
USB-C output current: 3.0A
USB-A output current: 2.4A
Automotive compliant
Temperature range -40 to +85˚C
USB-C:

MacBook Pro: 4.96V, 3.2A, 15.9W

iPhone 12: 5.04V, 2.7A, 13.6W

iPad mini 4: 5.02V, 2.7A, 13.5W

Galaxy S8: 5.11V, 2.5A, 12.8W

Stratus 3 (not charging)

USB-A:

MacBook Pro: 5.09V, 0.9A, 4.6W

iPad: 5.00V, 2.04A, 10.25W

iPhone 12: 5.04V, 1.6A, 8W

Galaxy S8: 5.04V, 1.64A, 8.2W

Stratus 3 charging / running: 5.07V, 1.2A, 6.1W (same numbers as with supplied 110V power supply)

Scan shows no RF noise in the air band. There are some peaks that are different compared to the reference but that is because the scan was done at a different point of time. Turning the charger on and off and watching the realtime scan, no change is observable, no new peaks, no raised noise floor.


Stein Air USB-A dual port, rectangular $45 0.94" w x 1.85" h x 2.48" d no 12V / 24V input

5V 2.4A output

Temperature range -20 to 45˚C

Stein Air USB-A dual port, round

(Bluesea)

$55 Mounts in a 1 1/8 inch (29 mm) hole. no 12V / 24V input

5V 2.4A output

Stratus USB-C USB-A dual port $399 1.848” w x 1.848” h x 1.263” d no FAA certified to TSO-C71

Dual 3.0A

True Blue 202 series $325-$499 no 18W max per Port, 3A
True Blue 360 series $489 yes 28V input
5 – 20 VDC per PD port (variable)
Yonhan USB-A dual port $14 no 36W Quick Charge 3.0 USB-A:

MacBook Pro: 5.1V, 0.9A, 4.6W

iPad mini 4: 5.10V, 2.0A 10.2W

iPhone 12: 5.11V, 1.8A, 9.2W

Galaxy S8: 9.06V, 1A, 9W

Stratus 3 charging / running: 5.09V, 1.2A, 6.1W (same numbers as with supplied 110V power supply)

Scan shows significantly raised noise floor in the

air band.